Hello.
I use the Setlist Maker with my Kemper via the wireless Midi Interface mi.1 by Quiccosound.
It works fine if I want to switch performances by clicking a song in Setlist Maker.
But if I change a performance directly in the Kemper, Setlist Maker does not realize this.
It seems that the Kemper sends the program change via midi, but in Setlist Maker there is no reaction.
What do I have to do?
What do you want Set List Maker to do?
To receive midi commands which are sent by the Kemper.
What MIDI commands, for what purpose? (I can't help without a specific description of what you want to do.)
If I switch channels (performances, songs) in the Kemper, f.e. with the Kemper Remote, I also want that Setlist Maker (on iPad) receive this information (changing of channels/songs). So I always have the actual song active in Setlist Maker.
Sorry for my bad english.
:-(
So you want the amp to change programs if you select a song in Set List Maker, and you want Set List Maker to change songs if you select a program on the Kemper?
Yes. Exactly.
Both devices should recognize a change in the other device.
Is Set List Maker receiving program changes from the Kemper -- do you see them in the Activity Log if you click the MIDI icon in the top toolbar?
Please see the attached picture of the midi status.
Is that what you want to know?
That shows the program change that you're sending from Set List Maker. I want to verify that your Kemper sends a program change in to Set List Maker. When you change programs on the Kemper, do you see the incoming MIDI messages here?
No, I don't see it.
You have Set List Maker, a Kemper amp, and a Kemper foot switch, is that correct? How are they all connected together?
The Kemper footswitch (Remote) is connected via a regular network cable with the Kemper amp.
In the Kemper Midi In and Out there is a Quicco Sound MI.1 Midi-Bluetooth adapter.
This MI.1 is connected via Bluetooth with the iPad and Setlist Maker app.
It sounds like the Kemper amp doesn't take program changes it receives from the foot switch and send them back out again; that seems normal. But you could contact Kemper and see if it's possible to do that.
Well, no.
The Kemper amp realize program changes by the footswitch (which is the Kemper Remote) and it changes the performances/songs.
But Setlist Maker doesn't realize these changes. And it doesn't matter if I switch by footswitch or if I
change performances/songs directly in the Kemper.
The other way around works. If I change songs by pressing a song in Setlist Maker, the Kemper and also the footswitch realize this and change to the new song/performance.
Meanwhile I changed some settings in the Kemper.
Setlist Maker receive midi commands, but does not change the songs.
Please see attached picture.
What goes wrong?
Good, now that you have the data coming in, you can set Settings > Remote Control > Actions > MIDI Program Number > MIDI Program Messages to Program Change. Then you can edit each song and enter the program number for the song. Then sending that program number into the app while viewing a show will select that song.
Unfortunately it does not work, even if I did what was described.
Setlist Maker cannot interpret the commands of the Kemper in the right way.
If you submit a help ticket, I can verify your setup:
https://helpdesk.arlomedia.com/arlomedia/add.html
Already sent the Troubleshooting Info. But still no reply.
:(
I'll get to it...
In your screen shots above, you're sending program number 0, 4, 19 or 29, but you've only set the incoming program number for a few songs, and those are set to 0, 5 and 10. So the 0 message should select your first song, but the other messages won't select anything. Does that help?
Well, the selected 0, 5 and 10 are for the rigs in the performances of the Kemper.
0 should select the first rig in the first performance (there are 5 rigs in each performance).
5 should select the first rig in the second performance.
10 should select the first rig in the third performance.
It is possible to send this number (from Setlist Maker/Bandhelper) to the Kemper and the Kemper realize the right rig. This works fine.
But the Kemper does not send this kind of numbers. (f.e. 0/0/5)
It only sends one number (1-128)
And it seems that Bandhelper cannot handle this.
:-(
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the Kemper does not send this kind of numbers
I see them in your screen shots ... the C0 messages are incoming program changes on channel one, and the second number is the program number.
Whatever program number the Kemper is sending, you just need to enter that number on the song edit page to select that song.
That's what I already did.
No changes in Bandhelper at all if I change the performances in the Kemper.
Even if Bandhelper realized the incomming commands.
From the examples shown in the screen shots, you're sending program numbers but you haven't entered those same numbers into your songs.
Could you tell me the exact number/names which I have to give in and tell where (in Bandhelper) I have to give in these?
And are there other settings I have to do in Bandhelper (which and where)?
Maybe this could help if you send me an exact advice.
You have to set Settings > Remote Control > Actions > MIDI Program Number > MIDI Program Messages to Program Change.
Then look in the Activity Log at one of the program change messages you sent to the app. For example, you sent C0 19 several times in your screen shot. Take the second number, 19, and convert that to decimal, 25:
http://www.binaryhexconverter.com/hex-to-decimal-converter
Then edit one of your songs, scroll down to MIDI Program Number and enter 25 into the third field.
Then view a set list that contains that song, and send the same program number you sent before, and that song should be selected.
Will try as soon as I have the time for it and will get back to you to report.
Thanks!!!
I tried.
Well, there seems to be soemthing like a redundance, a permanent repetition of midi commands between Bandhelper and Kemper.
So after switching rigs/performances in Kemper (and Bandhelper realize this change and also switches to the right song) it is impossible to switch in Kemper anymore, because the Kemper seems busy like a washing machine.
Is it possible to tell BandHelper so send commands only one time (after switching to a song) and don't send any command at all if receiving a program change from Kemper?
If you want BandHelper to not send a MIDI program change when a song is selected, you can turn that off by going to Repertoire > Layouts > [layout name] > Edit Details > Actions and clearing Send MIDI. You can then send the MIDI a different way, either with a song second selection, or a two-fingered tap, or a foot switch, or just click the MIDI button on the screen. You cannot have it be conditional on whether the song was selected from an incoming MIDI message.
Will try!
It seems to work.
Thanks for the really good support !!!
Great -- you're welcome.