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Set List Maker => Announcements => Topic started by: arlo on November 10, 2021, 09:33:48 PM

Title: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: arlo on November 10, 2021, 09:33:48 PM
I'm almost done testing the next Set List Maker feature release, version 6.3 for iOS/macOS and 3.3 for Android. This release focuses on making song layout options easier to discover and use, and also includes graphic design updates and a bunch of user requests. I've just posted a video walking through the biggest changes so you can see what's coming:

https://youtu.be/dkbNUnIzLK0

One change that might take some adjustment involves support for full-screen documents and lyrics. This is being phased out in layouts that initially show the document or lyrics at a smaller size. To help understand what this means and what options are still available, here's another video focused on that topic:

https://youtu.be/gUj0F00NAFQ

These videos show BandHelper, but many of the changes are shared between the products.

The new version should be ready within a week. As always, if you rely on Set List Maker for upcoming gigs, I recommend switching your device to manual updates to avoid any surprises.
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: Brian311 on November 17, 2021, 06:15:10 PM
I am very disappointed that the show document functionality is being discontinued- I use this at gigs all the time - I have it set up to go to the full document on a 3 finger tap and I love this
Any hope of a reprieve
Cheers
Brian
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: arlo on November 17, 2021, 09:08:52 PM
Full-screen documents aren't being discontinued, nor is hiding/showing them from a three-fingered tap. However, if you want to show full-screen documents, you will need to use a layout that doesn't initially show a smaller document. The second video above demonstrates the available options.
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: whippinpost91850 on November 22, 2021, 01:57:38 PM
I'm with this guy , I like the old split view with smaller lyrics, that switch to full screen when a song is selected
Please fix this.  Thanks Paul
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: Brian311 on November 23, 2021, 03:25:42 AM
I agree - I use a view with a maller document with extra buttons AND tap to full size and back as my main use of the app. It seems strange that this cannot be allowed in an "enhancement"
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: arlo on November 23, 2021, 10:18:04 AM
How useful is it to start with a small document if you're going to show a larger document over it anyway? That capability is traded for the following benefits:

- Less chance of bugs (resizing a document after it is loaded creates lots of problems)
- Full-screen opens and closes more smoothly (no need to resize or reload, just show or hide)
- Full-screen can be closed and reopened without interrupting auto-scrolling
- More flexible use of screen space (possible to switch a portion of the layout between a document and other info)

If you try the new default layouts demonstrated in the first few minutes of this video, I think you'll find one that you like:

https://youtu.be/gUj0F00NAFQ
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: Brian311 on November 24, 2021, 08:40:24 PM
I love my current set up (see photo) where I have the document and all the midi controls that I need for triggering midi or backing tracks
When the song is complex or when playing live where I cannot stand as close to my iPad To see the chords etc I simply use a three fingered tap to move between this view and a full size document

If I am forced to have no pdf viewable but all the controls / song list only I have no Context of the song eg what are the chords, tab parts I have noted in my pdf etc in order to play the song or rehearse other that switching to the full size remembering the document and switch back to access controls etc, this is particularly so if it is a new song I am working on.

My pdfs can be several pages long if they include tabs - I need to view the doc and use the different midi patches and recording options (eg slow down or loop sections) to learn solos and riffs and to fine tune tone.

I have set up over 600 songs to work in this way after a couple of years of experimenting

As I am doing some live gigs soon can you let me know if this will be changed automatically or do I have the option to upgrade later ?

Hope this helps explain how I use it and why I am posting this
Overall this is Great software thanks Arlo
Cheers Brian
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: arlo on November 29, 2021, 02:00:56 PM
You can continue showing your document within the layout as shown here, or you can remove it from the layout and show it in full-screen over the top of the layout instead. You can also duplicate your layout and update the new copy to use the full-screen approach, and then you can choose one layout or the other depending on the situation (e.g., practicing vs. performing).
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: danmusician on December 07, 2021, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: arlo on November 23, 2021, 10:18:04 AM
How useful is it to start with a small document if you're going to show a larger document over it anyway?

For me, this is very useful. I play a couple times a week at a hospice facility. I play continually for 30 to 40 minutes, modulating from song to song. I have a show with 98 songs, mostly scans from a hymnal. I use the practice view most of the time so that I can see song titles. I never play the songs in order and sometimes patients and their families request a song. I can scroll quickly to the song title I want with my left hand and keep playing. Sometimes I need to switch to full screen to be able to read the music. Double tap is the easiest way to do this while continuing to play. Yes, I can reach up and hit the little layout button, but then I need to choose the different layout. Not as easy to do while I'm continuing to play.

Likely, I will just avoid the upgrade.
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: Tasten-Bert on December 08, 2021, 03:16:22 AM
It's really a pity since I used to like the work and efforts of Arlo very much, but I must say another sad, desperate user here. I've been working with two layouts only:

- Split View in about 80 %, used for all gigs and band rehearsals. I love having the sheet in small from the beginning on, good to already have an idea about what's there in front of me (it tickles the cells in my brain as some kind of preparation). I love having the buttons for Notes or manual scrolling-start right there.

- More Controls (wasn't that the Practising Layout earlier?) when I practice new tunes or solo parts at home. I love having all there, a small image of the doc, the audio and tempo buttons, notes just there without any button.

I am not the type of guy that modifies and adjusts layouts. If there is one that does all I need, that's great and will be my one-and-only.

So my hope is to convince Arlo to leave the full screen zooming as it is.

Cheers from Germany
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: arlo on December 08, 2021, 09:43:49 AM
You can still use the old versions of the Split View and More Controls layouts, but if you want to use full-screen documents, you will need to remove the document viewer from those layouts and only see the document in full-screen. You can then put other info in the layout where the document used to be.

In the new versions of the layouts, you could use Big Fields instead of Split View (that places a half dozen song fields with large text in the place where the small document used to be). More Controls already has different info in this area (multiple document, recording and MIDI buttons) but just shows the document over the top of the main area; you could change that to show the document in full-screen.
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: arlo on January 19, 2022, 12:13:12 PM
I'm looking at this issue again and reviewing the comments from the few users who have asked about it. In every case where someone wants to sometimes expand the lyrics size, they are using a layout with a song list alongside the lyrics. So another solution is to change the layout so the lyrics take the full screen width, and the song list is shown or hidden as needed. That's how the default Big Lyrics, More Buttons and Overlapping Buttons layouts work.

To make this change to a custom split view style layout, you can edit the document viewer and resize it to the full screen width, then edit the layout details, set Show/Hide Song List to Two-Fingered Tap and set Hide Song List to Song Selection.

Then you will see bigger lyrics all the time and can easily show the song list when you need it, as opposed to seeing the song list all the time and showing the bigger lyrics when you need it.
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: Brian311 on January 19, 2022, 01:11:16 PM
Can you hide other controls / lists such as recording controls and midi presets  in the same way as the song list ?
Thanks
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: arlo on January 19, 2022, 09:44:36 PM
No, but those take less space than the song list, and can be laid out horizontally so the lyrics can take over the full screen width.
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: Brian311 on January 19, 2022, 10:16:03 PM
Midi presets take up as much space as song titles given they need a descriptive word or words to identify eg "High distortion lead with delay"  and need to be easily read - if they were just a number or a letter I would agree with you
Regards Brian
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: Brian311 on January 19, 2022, 10:19:29 PM
Will we be able to scroll midi presets left to right along one line at the bottom of the document?
Cheers Brian
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: arlo on January 20, 2022, 12:47:31 PM
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Midi presets take up as much space as song titles given they need a descriptive word or words to identify eg "High distortion lead with delay"  and need to be easily read

But you usually don't have as many presets attached to a song as you have songs in a set list, so the list wouldn't need to be as long.

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Will we be able to scroll midi presets left to right along one line at the bottom of the document?

Yes, when laid out vertically the presets can scroll vertically and when laid out horizontally they can scroll horizontally.
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: Brian311 on January 21, 2022, 09:53:42 PM
Hi Arlo
Please note when I go to full doc and then edit song list it appears impossible to resize this on my new iPad (M1 chip)

Is it possible to scroll sng list horizontally like presets ?

also just  to clarify  - I don't set presets for all 700 songs and sometimes want to experiment with the 50 tone presets and voice presets I have or select a different  one from the preset - hence why a list of presets can be handy

Hope you find the feedback handy - I love this app!!
Cheers
Brian
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: Brian311 on January 21, 2022, 10:07:57 PM
So when I try to resize the setlist it just activates my notes app as the sizing button is bottom right which I can't seem to turn off
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: arlo on January 22, 2022, 02:56:48 PM
QuotePlease note when I go to full doc and then edit song list it appears impossible to resize this on my new iPad

Is that because of...

Quotewhen I try to resize the setlist it just activates my notes app as the sizing button is bottom right which I can't seem to turn off

That is an annoying new iOS feature; I haven't looked into whether it can be turned off. But I find that if I tap and hold the resize button for a moment before dragging it, that avoids activating the iOS Notes feature.

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Is it possible to scroll sng list horizontally like presets ?

No, the song list only scrolls vertically.
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: arlo on January 24, 2022, 03:39:13 PM
If you don't need to see your song list while playing your songs, the easiest solution here is to use a layout like More Buttons or Overlapping Buttons and show the larger document for all songs. Then use a two-fingered tap to show the song list between songs.

But if you do need to see your song list while playing your songs, but on some songs you want to trade that space for a larger document, you could try this:

1) Select two layouts you want to switch between, like Split View and More Buttons. Then go to the Layouts list and edit the details for all the layouts above the gray line, except those two, and turn off the Active switch.

2) Edit the details for those two layouts and set Next Layout to Three-Fingered Tap.

3) For the layout that shows the larger document, edit the song list and turn off Show Initially.

Now view a show with the split view layout. When you want the document larger, tap with three fingers to switch to the other layout. When you're done, tap with three fingers to switch back.

The only downside to this is that most functions will reset when you change layouts, like auto-scrolling, tempo playback, etc. So you'll need to decide that you want the larger document before starting the song if you're using functions like that. (The recording can keep playing if you turn on Settings > Audio & MIDI > Continue Audio When Changing Songs.)
Title: Re: What's New in Set List Maker (Nov. 2021)
Post by: Brian311 on January 24, 2022, 08:34:19 PM
Thanks Arlo
Sounds like a clever solution Cheers