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#81
Repertoire Help / Re: iPad MP3 problem
Last post by arlo - October 01, 2024, 02:23:36 PMSo it sounds like the problem is in going from the iPad headphone output jack to the mic/instrument input jack on a mixer. I would suggest:
1) Try going into channels 9-10 on your mixer, which might work differently than 7-8 (1/4" vs combo jacks).
2) Ask Behringer what's the recommended way to feed a headphone signal into the mixer. (I don't see a Line In jack.)
3) Buy a USB audio interface and put that between the iPad and the mixer, instead of using the headphone jack.
1) Try going into channels 9-10 on your mixer, which might work differently than 7-8 (1/4" vs combo jacks).
2) Ask Behringer what's the recommended way to feed a headphone signal into the mixer. (I don't see a Line In jack.)
3) Buy a USB audio interface and put that between the iPad and the mixer, instead of using the headphone jack.
#82
Repertoire Help / Re: iPad MP3 problem
Last post by JerryK - October 01, 2024, 02:05:17 PMGood questions.
The problem is not with all recordings in BH but I've been testing with one that is an obvious problem. Not sure if that's skewing my view but I suppose it is. An obvious problem, though, at only iPad 'hard' volume 4 is therefore not very far away on all of my recordings.
Anyway, replying to your questions: It seems much behaved on headphones. I barely have a music app on the iPad but 3 demo songs in Anytune, at some 'decent' level are not sounding good on the mixer. Much better in the cans.
Since the input meters are nowhere near clipping, this suggests an impedance problem but it behaves about the same whether I use TRS or XLR.
Looking closer at the mixer spec, XLR un/bal is 5/10k, TRS un/bal is 20/40k. So both are way higher than headphone impedance, which is what the iPad 3.5mm socket is intended for.
Shame that the USB via my Helix wasn't a better match.
So what are my available choices, assuming that this continues to be a problem on more than a very few tracks? I'd prefer it to be a bit more foolproof / less picky.
1. An impedance matching device, maybe just a transformer (x2). Passive preferred if I can get away with it.
2. I'm using Yamaha BT01 for mixer control. Can I run another one for this? Latency would not be a problem but I'm not very keen to use more BT or wifi, though it may be worth considering.
3. I tried a DI box but it made no difference.
4. Anything else?
Thanks
The problem is not with all recordings in BH but I've been testing with one that is an obvious problem. Not sure if that's skewing my view but I suppose it is. An obvious problem, though, at only iPad 'hard' volume 4 is therefore not very far away on all of my recordings.
Anyway, replying to your questions: It seems much behaved on headphones. I barely have a music app on the iPad but 3 demo songs in Anytune, at some 'decent' level are not sounding good on the mixer. Much better in the cans.
Since the input meters are nowhere near clipping, this suggests an impedance problem but it behaves about the same whether I use TRS or XLR.
Looking closer at the mixer spec, XLR un/bal is 5/10k, TRS un/bal is 20/40k. So both are way higher than headphone impedance, which is what the iPad 3.5mm socket is intended for.
Shame that the USB via my Helix wasn't a better match.
So what are my available choices, assuming that this continues to be a problem on more than a very few tracks? I'd prefer it to be a bit more foolproof / less picky.
1. An impedance matching device, maybe just a transformer (x2). Passive preferred if I can get away with it.
2. I'm using Yamaha BT01 for mixer control. Can I run another one for this? Latency would not be a problem but I'm not very keen to use more BT or wifi, though it may be worth considering.
3. I tried a DI box but it made no difference.
4. Anything else?
Thanks
#83
Repertoire Help / How can I use a MIDI pedal to ...
Last post by MikeEskew - October 01, 2024, 01:12:52 PMI have MIDI presets setup in my BandHelper to control my DMX lights (Photon2), and have them assigned to songs. Some songs have only one preset assigned and others have 2 or 3.
I am using a MIDI Baby3 pedal and it works to trigger the FIRST preset (and only the first) on any song just fine. But I want to be able to hit the same "button" on it to toggle to the next preset (and then the next...) inside the same song when I have several assigned to it.
I can physically select it off the list that I have showing in my layout, and it works. I just want to be able to do this with a pedal, while playing...
I am using a MIDI Baby3 pedal and it works to trigger the FIRST preset (and only the first) on any song just fine. But I want to be able to hit the same "button" on it to toggle to the next preset (and then the next...) inside the same song when I have several assigned to it.
I can physically select it off the list that I have showing in my layout, and it works. I just want to be able to do this with a pedal, while playing...
#84
Repertoire Help / Re: iPad MP3 problem
Last post by arlo - October 01, 2024, 09:27:38 AMWhat happens if you connect a pair of headphones to the headphone jack instead of connecting the mixer, and listen to the recordings through the headphones?
With the mixer reconnected, what happens if you open the Music app instead of BandHelper, and play a recording from the Music app?
With the mixer reconnected, what happens if you open the Music app instead of BandHelper, and play a recording from the Music app?
#85
Repertoire Help / Re: Super frustrated - what am...
Last post by arlo - October 01, 2024, 09:15:33 AMNote that the ChordPro Tools button in BandHelper can remove square brackets from non-chords (which eliminates the need to do that with a search and replace in Notepad) and can reformat manually positioned chords-over-lyrics to ChordPro-positioned chords (which eliminates the need to use the ukegeeks.com website). The same button does both functions depending on the current lyrics content.
#86
Repertoire Help / Re: Super frustrated - what am...
Last post by JerryK - October 01, 2024, 08:21:55 AMIn case it helps, I take the UG text into Notepad, to change the square brackets from [Verse], [Chorus] etc into round ones, in just 2 find-replace passes. This helps the other processes. I usually remove bar-markers too but maybe that's more of a personal preference.
Next, also in Notepad, I move the chords above the word or syllable they relate to, adding spaces and/or hyphens if you like, as necessary. Notepad, conveniently, uses a monospace font.
Next I paste that into https://ukegeeks.com/tools/ which adds square brackets to the chords and puts them in-line, Chord-pro style, which I prefer. BandHelper can reformat those to chords-over, per-user, for those in your band who prefer that style but not the other way round.
Paste from there to BandHelper.
Finally, I adjust some spacing or add/remove some Returns to shorten overly long lines or vertical space, and add any needed instructions. I also like (Verse) etc and any other hints to be in Grey (always black background) so that just chords and lyrics stand out. Any vocal replies in a different colour, possibly suiting the gender. Pink, not purple, which can be harder to see in daylight (on black, anyway).
For backing track purposes, I have a Custom Field, describing how the song gets started, showing how many clicks, bars of this, bars of that and finally, 'vocal', when that starts. This is part of my Duo layout(s). It helps, certainly at my age and with hundreds of possible songs!
I wish UG chords were properly positioned (and sometimes not wrong) but that's fairly rare.
Next, also in Notepad, I move the chords above the word or syllable they relate to, adding spaces and/or hyphens if you like, as necessary. Notepad, conveniently, uses a monospace font.
Next I paste that into https://ukegeeks.com/tools/ which adds square brackets to the chords and puts them in-line, Chord-pro style, which I prefer. BandHelper can reformat those to chords-over, per-user, for those in your band who prefer that style but not the other way round.
Paste from there to BandHelper.
Finally, I adjust some spacing or add/remove some Returns to shorten overly long lines or vertical space, and add any needed instructions. I also like (Verse) etc and any other hints to be in Grey (always black background) so that just chords and lyrics stand out. Any vocal replies in a different colour, possibly suiting the gender. Pink, not purple, which can be harder to see in daylight (on black, anyway).
For backing track purposes, I have a Custom Field, describing how the song gets started, showing how many clicks, bars of this, bars of that and finally, 'vocal', when that starts. This is part of my Duo layout(s). It helps, certainly at my age and with hundreds of possible songs!
I wish UG chords were properly positioned (and sometimes not wrong) but that's fairly rare.
#87
Repertoire Help / iPad MP3 problem
Last post by JerryK - October 01, 2024, 03:13:27 AMThis is not really a Bandhelper problem but I can't think of anywhere better to ask, that would have more experience with iPad audio into a mixer, so here goes.
MP3 from iPad 9th Gen is distorting. Any clues please?
Regular MP3 files but with some loudness compression previously applied. Playing from BandHelper via Headphone socket into X-Air XR16 ch7+8 (combo sockets), TRS inputs.
Running the iPad on 4 button-clicks (of the 16) of 'hard' volume and 50% 'soft' (bandhelper on-screen) volume, I hear significant distortion on some recordings. If I cut the 'hard' volume to 2 clicks, it's better, not perfect, but the level is inconveniently low. In both cases, the input level to the mixer is way below clipping. The exact same file plays fine on the PC and there are no run-time changes applied (pitch, level etc) in Bandhelper.
Since the iPad is pretty much designed around MP3 files, I want to think it can't be happening there.
An older iPad behaves very similarly.
I tested a mono DI box on one half but no difference.
I tried using the XLR inputs but no real difference.
I re-loaded the MP3 (which works fine on the pc) to BH but no change.
If it's an impedance problem, it's weird that both XLR and TRS inputs behave the same but I COULD send the audio over USB to my Helix guitar board and out of its XLRs to the XR, if that would even fix it, but I'd prefer to keep the Helix out of that chain. The Helix guitar output is a single jack to the mixer, so there would be no conflict as such.
What am I missing? Long time user.
So I added the Helix LT to the chain, now taking USB audio from the iPad and out of the Helix XLRs. No change.
Can it really be that the iPad is not coping with the MP3s?? That's madness. That's almost what it's for.
I could re-create all my backing tracks at some lower level but there are hundreds, so I want to understand what's happening before I do very much.
I have used loudness compression in Media Human for a long time, when making or in fact when copying to my target pc folder but I've found lately that it doesn't treat the whole song the same, so the apparent level of some parts (stems, if you like) changes, in places. I'm thinking I'll try MP3Gain. It's a very long job though, to re-load them all from Karaoke-Version and start again.
Anybody had the same troubles?
MP3 from iPad 9th Gen is distorting. Any clues please?
Regular MP3 files but with some loudness compression previously applied. Playing from BandHelper via Headphone socket into X-Air XR16 ch7+8 (combo sockets), TRS inputs.
Running the iPad on 4 button-clicks (of the 16) of 'hard' volume and 50% 'soft' (bandhelper on-screen) volume, I hear significant distortion on some recordings. If I cut the 'hard' volume to 2 clicks, it's better, not perfect, but the level is inconveniently low. In both cases, the input level to the mixer is way below clipping. The exact same file plays fine on the PC and there are no run-time changes applied (pitch, level etc) in Bandhelper.
Since the iPad is pretty much designed around MP3 files, I want to think it can't be happening there.
An older iPad behaves very similarly.
I tested a mono DI box on one half but no difference.
I tried using the XLR inputs but no real difference.
I re-loaded the MP3 (which works fine on the pc) to BH but no change.
If it's an impedance problem, it's weird that both XLR and TRS inputs behave the same but I COULD send the audio over USB to my Helix guitar board and out of its XLRs to the XR, if that would even fix it, but I'd prefer to keep the Helix out of that chain. The Helix guitar output is a single jack to the mixer, so there would be no conflict as such.
What am I missing? Long time user.
So I added the Helix LT to the chain, now taking USB audio from the iPad and out of the Helix XLRs. No change.
Can it really be that the iPad is not coping with the MP3s?? That's madness. That's almost what it's for.
I could re-create all my backing tracks at some lower level but there are hundreds, so I want to understand what's happening before I do very much.
I have used loudness compression in Media Human for a long time, when making or in fact when copying to my target pc folder but I've found lately that it doesn't treat the whole song the same, so the apparent level of some parts (stems, if you like) changes, in places. I'm thinking I'll try MP3Gain. It's a very long job though, to re-load them all from Karaoke-Version and start again.
Anybody had the same troubles?
#88
Repertoire Help / Re: Provising a songlist to cl...
Last post by arlo - September 30, 2024, 10:32:40 AMThis tutorial describes how you can add one or more set lists to your website for public viewing:
https://www.bandhelper.com/tutorials/sharing_set_lists.html#website
However, BandHelper doesn't have any functionality for clients to submit data into the system. You would have to set up a contact form on your website to collect that info.
https://www.bandhelper.com/tutorials/sharing_set_lists.html#website
However, BandHelper doesn't have any functionality for clients to submit data into the system. You would have to set up a contact form on your website to collect that info.
#89
Repertoire Help / Re: Super frustrated - what am...
Last post by arlo - September 30, 2024, 10:30:23 AMOkay, I just added a note about that to the Adding Lyrics tutorial.
#90
Repertoire Help / Re: Super frustrated - what am...
Last post by Bassandbeer - September 30, 2024, 08:18:23 AMThank you. I guess I did everything right, EXCEPT I made my changes before instituting one of the monospace fonts. Makes sense now why it won't work.