Sending incorrect MIDI preset on song select

[WilburrUK]

Another MIDI question from me...
I have a midi preset that's pinned to all songs (that's so I can manually turn on/off vocal reverb on the mixer via a button).

But some songs have another midi preset attached, and I've added an action to send preset 2 on song selection.

The problem is that although song selection only sends midi for the songs with their own (non pinned) preset, its sending the pinned preset data (as confirmed in both the midi Activity Log and on the mixer device itself).

Am I missing something or should this be logged as a bug?

[Insider0203]

I don't use pinned midi presets but I just made one as a test and tried it out myself. When I make an app control action to send midi 2 on song selection, it sends the pinned preset.

I don't know how your layout is setup but I view all midi presets in the song list with the "multiple midi" button. All the midi presets attached to the song are listed in order from top to bottom and then there's a divider to show the pinned preset at the bottom. So it looks like Bandhelper counts the pinned preset as the last preset attachment to a song. So if you one have midi preset attached, your pinned preset will count as the second. That would explain why "send midi 2" is sending the pinned preset.

If you set the app control action to "send midi", it will just send the first preset.

However, @Arlo, is this the intended behavior or is there some setting to that we're missing?

For me personally, I attach multiple presets to a song and then step though them with the "send midi preset or next song" command. If I have a pinned preset say for accessing the tuner on my pedalboard, it would mess up my step sequence.

[WilburrUK]

Thanks for the insight, I do have a Multiple MIDI button - though it was only set to show PINNED presets. Changing that to ALL does show the song's bespoke presets before the pinned one - which, for some reason, I expected to be the other way around, that explains the behaviour.

It throws up another issue though, now (having changed the action to send MIDI 1): When I select a song with its own preset, that preset is sent correctly, but when I select a song with no preset of its own, it sends the pinned one,as that now sits in slot 1. While I can probably get around this in my partucular circumstances, I'm struggling to come up with a way to have the song select action effectively ignore the pinned presets.

[Insider0203]

Yeah this raises a similar problem for me. I attach multiple presets for songs, usually like a preset for the intro, verse, chorus, bridge, etc. I have an external midi foot switch programmed for the app control action "next Midi preset or song". With this, I can basically use one button to step through each part of a song and go right into the next.

If I wanted a pinned preset to maybe access my tuner, that would add an extra preset to all my songs and would mess up the step sequence.

It sounds like you and I have the same expectation that pinned presets should operate separately from the attached ones. I think that makes sense.

[arlo]

My first reaction is that the Send MIDI 1-10 actions shouldn't send pinned presets, but I'll look further into that for the next update.

Meanwhile, you can use the Send MIDI action to send either the default song-specific preset (depending on Settings > General > Defaults > MIDI Preset) or all the song-specific presets (depending on Settings > Audio & MIDI > Send MIDI Presets Together) and I don't think that will send the pinned presets.

[WilburrUK]

Thanks Arlo, I've tried as you suggested (using Send Midi) and it only sends when there's a song-specific preset, so that's exactly as I want it. Not sure if that also addresses Insider0203's situation.


It takes some doing on my particular device (a fairly basic adroid tablet)though, because in the settings/App Control/Add an Action/Midi/ popup, I can't scroll the list up all the way to the top- it looks like the title bar is overlaying the top couple of entries in the list. Clicking where I guess the correct entry is does select it though!

[arlo]

Please submit a help ticket if you want to troubleshoot the incorrectly layered toolbars.

[Insider0203]

Not sure if that also addresses Insider0203's situation.

For me, the issue is that the "send next midi preset or song" includes pinned presets. There should be an option to exclude them in my opinion