Recording play/stop and rewind rather than start /stop on bluetooth key options

[Danny]

hi arlo

Am I missing something or doing something wrong,

I am using the app with a 2 button remote,

Next song

Recording 1 start/stop


Via my airturn module and concealed switches in jacket sleeve.

As I say I am working from a distance with the app, so if I false start a song, I have to walk back and physically stop and start the song,

I know you have a long to do list, but.... Would it be possible  that when you press play and stop that the song returns to the beginning rather than pausing.

With relation to start stop recordings 2 to 10  in the keyboard messages, I have had a fiddle and can't see what this does?

Last night I added a recording to a song, imagine I had a song called my way, then added a recording, New York , I now have 2 recording associated to  the song, so I experimented with settings and set a keyboard message to start/ stop recording 2, I couldn't get anything to happen with relation to the song, and the app actually adopted a life of its own from that point, missing buttons like layout and keyboard, tried to do  a  reset of layouts   But got nowhere,

I  noticed the speaker icon vanished  for the my way song in the database? and I  ultimately deleted the app  from the pad and started again today,

If you were wondering why I keep fiddling it's because I am looking for a way to jump to a certain song or group of songs within the list,

Friday nights gig I was only ten minutes in to my ballad set, when some lady was screaming for rock and roll, so I have to scroll through 150 songs to get there, at one point I came out of the show, forget to press the keyboard button again and my night took on more of comedic slap dash flavour from that point with me wondering why the frantic button pushes yielded silence..


I hate to go on about it but would love to have  a keyboard active icon glow in the style that the yellow speaker icon does, I need more time I guess with the app, 3 years having a roadie do stop and play, I feel a bit lost at times.

Cheers

Danny

[arlo]

I know you have a long to do list, but.... Would it be possible  that when you press play and stop that the song returns to the beginning rather than pausing.

Pausing and resuming is the intended behavior currently. It used to work as stop/restart but then people asked for it to be changed to pause/resume. Adding the ability to do one or the other is on my wish list. Until then, you can restart by reselecting the current song.

With relation to start stop recordings 2 to 10  in the keyboard messages, I have had a fiddle and can't see what this does?

If you attach more than one recording to a song, these remote control actions let you trigger specific recordings for the current song.

I  noticed the speaker icon vanished  for the my way song in the database? and I  ultimately deleted the app  from the pad and started again today,

If the recording icon disappears from the Recordings or Songs list, that usually means the recording is no longer installed in the music library on your device. I almost never recommend deleting and reinstalling the app to solve a problem, because you will have to restore all your data, settings, and in-app purchases afterwards, and there are only one or two situations where this actually addresses the problem.

If you were wondering why I keep fiddling it's because I am looking for a way to jump to a certain song or group of songs within the list,

When you asked about this earlier, I suggested using Smart Lists, which have shortcuts to each section, but I can't remember what your reply was about that.

I hate to go on about it but would love to have  a keyboard active icon glow in the style that the yellow speaker icon does

I think the timeout option mentioned in this thread would be a better solution, and that's on my wish list:

http://forum.arlomedia.com/index.php/topic,695.0.html

[Danny]

Hi Arlo

The keyboard time out option will be fine if I understand it right,

Once selected, it would re engage when you have left and returned to your current show or another. , within 15 minutes?

Yes the smart lists are a work around, I think you suggested using quick add as it involved less navigation and did not kill the music or un toggle the bluetooth keyboard, if I have to select a song on the fly this is the best method I think.

Re play /stop rewind versus play/pause  I guess it's all a matter of taste, I would never stop a song halfway through and resume  but I guess there might be people with reason to do so.

Regarding the add recordings feature, both songs were working in the database , but when I associated them both to one song, the recording icon vanished  from the split screen and I had a few crashes and after resetting the layouts failed, I just decided to start again, reloading the data base took no time at all as I have purchased the sync upgrade.

Oh my goodness, I see were I am going wrong, if you add recordings in the data base to a song in the data base, the recording icon vanishes, but if you create a new song, you can add existing recording to this song and play them via remote control in the order you arranged them, this is brilliant,

I didn't realize the app did this, wow,

Many thanks

Danny

[arlo]

Yes the smart lists are a work around

Why is this a workaround and not the solution? It seems like exactly what you want to do with selecting songs on the fly by genre.

Could I create a song,  let's call it  " country" and then add several country backing tracks from my data base to this song?

You could, but I think that would be clunkier than creating a separate song for each recording. Adding multiple recordings to a song is usually used if you have more than one version of a recording for that song -- for example, a backing track with drums vs. a backing track without drums. Or in my case as a roots musician, I attach different versions of the song recorded by different artists to use as a reference when I'm creating my own arrangement for a song.

[Danny]

Hi Arlo


I have edited Previous message

The smart lists are not really a work around or a solution for me because I want to jump to a genre without killing the music and without navigating  menus and typing etc, and I have to remember to re toggle the keyboard too, also my airturn is in my pocket so i have to press that red button to enable the keyboard so that rules out quick add, unless i Un toggle the keyboard first and remember to toggle it again when I return to the show view,  all this while I am in the middle of a show.

So I have no option other than scrolling through 250 songs to get to a song on the fly, this is why I suggested the green red yellow blue etc  label shortcuts buttons, which when pressed would select the first song with this  colour label in the list, while I am being fussy, I would love a way to navigate back to what would have been the next song in the queue before pushing the label short cut button too.

I hope you understand what I am getting at.

Many thanks

Danny

[arlo]

Did you try the Smart Lists? They contain all your songs, so there is no need to add songs or go in and out of the show view, and the Songs By Label Smart List includes a shortcut button for each color. You can also navigate through your list of songs without stopping the music, and even select different songs without stopping the music if you turn on Settings > Audio & MIDI > Continue Audio When Changing Songs.

[Danny]

hi Arlo

When I have selected a show, and selected a song and pressed play, and in the middle of this song, I press "shows " in order to navigate to the smart lists, not sure if it's an IOS thing but on my iPad, the music stops regardless of having " continue audio when changing songs" toggled.

Getting to the smart lists is a 5 click process, and I must remember to renengage keyboard when I return to my show, it might sound like I am being a fuss pot, but as I continue to say, I am not sitting on a stool with a guitar with the pad in front of me, I am not accompanied by other musicians who could be talking to the crowd while I concentrate on the navigation and selection, I am on my own, center stage literally in the spotlight, I can't turn my back on the audience and walk to the back of the stage and start messing about, as you say being able to select a song while one is playing is available by scrolling through the current list, I have 250 backing tracks plus interval songs in this list, so if I am on song one in the list and need to jump to song 250 it's a lot of scrolling, and then I have to go back and scroll to song two in order to resume the normal running of my show.

I am sorry if this is not what the app is intended for, but these are features I need and I am willing  to pay for these upgrades if you ever consider making them.


Many thanks

Danny

[arlo]

Are you working from a predefined show mostly, and then occasionally you want to take a request or vary from your set list? If so, the Quick Add feature is the best option.

Are you doing everything on the fly and picking songs as you go, with no predefined set list? If so, the Smart Lists are the best option. In that case you would not navigate between a show and a Smart List. You would just start with a Smart List and stay there throughout your performance.

[Danny]

Hi Arlo

I sort of have  predefined  sections in my show, but because I had a roadie and second  laptop remote controlling the onstage laptop  by  vnc, someone doing song  selection for me, , diverting was easy, the transition to ipad and  to doing everything myself is not going well.

Thanks for the suggestions, the only solution i see to making it simple is to physically edit the track titles of the most frequently sung songs in the database ,  and add 01 02 etc to the titles so that the running order stays right, these would be the default titles appearing at the top of the list,  and thus i  could work from the " label " smart list  where selecting a reggae song or rock and roll song  out of sequence by colour would be much easier.

Many thanks

Danny

[arlo]

Actually if you're organizing by genre, you could set up a style (Settings > Styles) for each genre and assign those to your songs, and use the Songs By Style smart list. Then you wouldn't be limited to however many colors there are, and you wouldn't have to remember which color corresponds to which genre.

[Danny]

Actually if you're organizing by genre, you could set up a style (Settings > Styles) for each genre and assign those to your songs, and use the Songs By Style smart list. Then you wouldn't be limited to however many colors there are, and you wouldn't have to remember which color corresponds to which genre.

Thanks so much Arlo,

But I have just renamed  the titles with a numerical prefix, weighted  to the probability and frequency with which  I would sing them, so when I use label view, it's all crystal clear now and just swiping my finger over the column of label colurs  brings my groups rapidly in to focus,

Many thanks

Danny

[arlo]

Sounds good.

[Danny]

I knew we would get there in the end,

Thanks so much.

Danny

[Danny]

Hi Arlo

Working from smart lists by label, has enabled me to do everything I want with my show, having to number the songs was a bit of a bummer, but I am there now,

Thanks so much

Danny

[arlo]

Would it be possible  that when you press play and stop that the song returns to the beginning rather than pausing.

In the new BandHelper version 2024-11-08 released today, you can change Settings > Audio & MIDI > Recording Button Stop Behavior from Pause to Stop. Then when you stop and restart a recording, it will start from the beginning.

I'm no longer adding new features to Set List Maker, so you would have to migrate to BandHelper to use this:

https://www.bandhelper.com/tutorials/SLM_migration_2.html